Trattamento PVD

[daniele da padova]

Leggo di strozzatori trattati PVD , qualcuno di voi sa in cosa consiste tale trattamento e che vantaggi dà ?[brindisi]

[diego BS]

Leggo di strozzatori trattati PVD , qualcuno di voi sa in cosa consiste tale trattamento e che vantaggi dà ?[brindisi]

Buongiorno Daniele, essendo un amico di gemini mi sento di d'arti una risposta:
Il nuovo trattamento PVD che significa physical vapor deposition, polveri di titanio.
Rispetto ai vecchi trattamenti, si ottiene una migliore protezione antiruggine,antigraffio e sopratutto antiusura.
Ci troveremo un pezzo tutto nikelato(mi riferisco ad esempio ai ported o agli interni raso canna) con anche delle colorazioni, nero x la caccia e per il tiro ce ne sono due, una e' il copper bronze e l' altra e' un bleu particolare che non ricordo il nome.
Io ho i ported con il nuovo trattamento e ho visto anche gli altri e sono veramente fatti bene.
Appena rivedo gemini provero' a chiedere se balisticamente si ha qualche vantaggio.
Io l' unica cosa che mi sento di dire a tutti i compratori di strozzatori,il mio parere e' che al momento dell' acquisto farsi misurare dall' armiere la volata dello strozzatore in base alla vostra foratura di canna.
Forse in questo discorso sono un po' pignolo,ma mi e' capitato con due briley che ho sul mio 682 uno 4 stelle e uno 2 stelle, la canna e' forata 18,6 e, il 4 stelle fa 18,7 (quindi non e' **** ma un cilindrico), e il due stelle fa 18,1(quindi 5 decimi e' un tre stelle).
Ho acquistato i gemini X il mio a 400 cal 20 ported,un due stelle (IM) misurava 15,4 (canna forata 16,un po' larghino x essere 2 stelle,ho preso anche il full(F)e fa 15,2 (8 decimi mi sembra un buon 2 stelle).
Ad ogni modo con entrambe gli strozzatori,anche se "un po' larghini" i risultati sono stati ottimi a caccia e anche nel tiro.
Ho fatto una prova con i nuovi ported in pvd cal 20** (quello 15,4), rispetto agli originali,alla placca hanno messo 46 pallini del 7 in piu' in rosata foglio 70x70 ad una distanza di 35 metri.
Ho usato cartucce uguali tre colpi con gli originali e tre colpi con i ported.
Buona giornata.

[Prince]

Diego ciao, mi puoi dire per favore i ported che hai tu per il beretta di che colore li hai presi avendo il trattamento in PVD!!!

[diego BS]

Ciao prince, i miei ultimi ported sono color neutro, nichel+ pvd. Questo trattamento,e' stato aggiunto da febbraio 2015 su tutti gli strozzatori.
Si possono avere gli extension in color nero "gun metal" x la caccia. I ported però sono solo color nichel.
Per il tiro ci sono anche copper bronze.
Se visiti il sito gemini sulla pagina news trovi specificato i nuovi trattamenti in nichel + pvd, so' che sulla scheda tecnica del ported cal 20 Beretta e specificato solo nichel,ma gemini mi aveva detto che la scheda non e' aggiornata,ma anch' essi hanno lo stesso trattamento.
Rispetto a quelli che ho acquistato due anni fa x il pigeon(trattamento solo nichel) si nota la diversita' di trattamento.
Quelli che ho x il 682 sporting,li ho presi anch'essi color nichel. Non ero interessato a quelle colorazioni, le vedo + adatte sui nuovi fucili esempio l'A400 sporting, che adotta queste colorazioni sulla carcassa e sul vitone.

[Nerino1]

Buongiorno Daniele, essendo un amico di gemini mi sento di d'arti una risposta:
Il nuovo trattamento PVD che significa physical vapor deposition, polveri di titanio.
Rispetto ai vecchi trattamenti, si ottiene una migliore protezione antiruggine,antigraffio e sopratutto antiusura.
Ci troveremo un pezzo tutto nikelato(mi riferisco ad esempio ai ported o agli interni raso canna) con anche delle colorazioni, nero x la caccia e per il tiro ce ne sono due, una e' il copper bronze e l' altra e' un bleu particolare che non ricordo il nome.
Io ho i ported con il nuovo trattamento e ho visto anche gli altri e sono veramente fatti bene.
Appena rivedo gemini provero' a chiedere se balisticamente si ha qualche vantaggio.
Io l' unica cosa che mi sento di dire a tutti i compratori di strozzatori,il mio parere e' che al momento dell' acquisto farsi misurare dall' armiere la volata dello strozzatore in base alla vostra foratura di canna.
Forse in questo discorso sono un po' pignolo,ma mi e' capitato con due briley che ho sul mio 682 uno 4 stelle e uno 2 stelle, la canna e' forata 18,6 e, il 4 stelle fa 18,7 (quindi non e' **** ma un cilindrico), e il due stelle fa 18,1(quindi 5 decimi e' un tre stelle).
Ho acquistato i gemini X il mio a 400 cal 20 ported,un due stelle (IM) misurava 15,4 (canna forata 16,un po' larghino x essere 2 stelle,ho preso anche il full(F)e fa 15,2 (8 decimi mi sembra un buon 2 stelle).
Ad ogni modo con entrambe gli strozzatori,anche se "un po' larghini" i risultati sono stati ottimi a caccia e anche nel tiro.
Ho fatto una prova con i nuovi ported in pvd cal 20** (quello 15,4), rispetto agli originali,alla placca hanno messo 46 pallini del 7 in piu' in rosata foglio 70x70 ad una distanza di 35 metri.
Ho usato cartucce uguali tre colpi con gli originali e tre colpi con i ported.
Buona giornata.

Sarebbe bello se le fabbriche che costruiscono gli strozzatori e sopratutto la Gemini, indicassero i valori in decimi del diametro ove lo strozzatore si innesta con la canna e il valore del vivo di volata.
Sarebbe ancora meglio se forasse gli strozzatori a misura diverse: 18.3, 18.4 ecc..
Nel catalogo del sito Gemini non ho notato indicazioni su questo nuovo trattamento, forse non è aggiornato?
Ti risulta che vendano ancora per corrispondenza?
Saluti.

[diego BS]

Sarebbe bello se le fabbriche che costruiscono gli strozzatori e sopratutto la Gemini, indicassero i valori in decimi del diametro ove lo strozzatore si innesta con la canna e il valore del vivo di volata.
Sarebbe ancora meglio se forasse gli strozzatori a misura diverse: 18.3, 18.4 ecc..
Nel catalogo del sito Gemini non ho notato indicazioni su questo nuovo trattamento, forse non è aggiornato?
Ti risulta che vendano ancora per corrispondenza?
Saluti.

Esatto! Ma qualcosa fa già... Il diametro della canna e stampato sullo strozzatore,mentre le strozzature le segna ancora in lettere. E quello che gli ho detto io.
Sul sito internet c'e': come aprì la pagina sulla sinistra c'e' l'elenco e devi cliccare news,e li troverai le spiegazioni su:"nuovi trattamenti"
Sulla vendita x corrispondenza ultimamente non la fa piu'..tratta solamente con le armerie: a parte il mio e rapporto di amicizia,lui mi ha detto che e' dispiaciuto,ma ultimamente riceve anche 100 telefonate al giorno,persino la domenica a pranzo avendo il trasferimento di chiamata viene contattato,e purtroppo nell' insieme ci sono anche i perditempo.
Conoscendo la bonta' della persona e la sua serieta',se uno va di persona a prenderlo,non lo manda via senza strozzatori. Ovvio ci deve essere lui,si chiama grassi Giovanni.
L'ultima volta che sono stato da lui abbiamo fatto una chiacchierata e lui dice che le armerie piu' lontane dalla sua sede,a causa della crisi,nessuna fa una piccola scorta di strozzatori, e si trova a volte ad aver richieste di un solo pezzo da spedire e, a dire il vero,i costi lievitano.
Poi mi diceva, se gli amici cacciatori e tiratori,si dovessero mettere insieme e ordinarne 7/8 pezzi,lui li spedisce.
A mio avviso,chiamare e poi nel caso fare un ordine via mail,il catalogo con tutte le marche e i modelli c'e' nel sito.
Basta scrivere il modello che si vuole.
(Esempio: N.1 ported 2 stelle x Beretta cal 20 mobilchoke canna forata 15,9. P.s. chiedo misurare la volata che misuri almeno 15,1/15,2.).
Questo e' un puro esempio di mia inventiva,che magari potrebbe funzionare,visto che anche in altri post,leggevo che vorrebbero acquistarli ma non riescono ad averli oppure passano dei mesi....

[Nerino1]

Grazie della disponibilità, diego BS.

[daniele da padova]

Riapro questa discussione per chiedervi visto che conoscete molto bene la Gemini tutta la sua produzione se gli strozza tori che la Gemini fa interamente in titanio hanno la stessa resa balistica di quelli in acciaio oppure hanno una resa più scadente in quanto sarebbero interessanti per la loro leggerezza specie nei fucili superleggeri dove non si vuole andare ad incrementare il peso grazie per le vostre risposte


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[louison]

Riapro questa discussione per chiedervi visto che conoscete molto bene la Gemini tutta la sua produzione se gli strozza tori che la Gemini fa interamente in titanio hanno la stessa resa balistica di quelli in acciaio oppure hanno una resa più scadente in quanto sarebbero interessanti per la loro leggerezza specie nei fucili superleggeri dove non si vuole andare ad incrementare il peso grazie per le vostre risposte


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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sicuramente interessanti, e molto tecnologici in lega speciale di titanio ad alta resistenza ... Sono prodotti di nicchia, più consigliati per i sovrapposti da tiro, dove il tiratore esigente (e secondo le sue attitudini) può decidere di diminuire il peso in volata di 18 grammi per strozzatore (36 gr totali) .. Prodotti solo in tipo ported o extended (fuoriescono di 20 mm) ... Però non sono economici (da 95 a 105 euro l'uno).

[daniele da padova]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sicuramente interessanti, e molto tecnologici in lega speciale di titanio ad alta resistenza ... Sono prodotti di nicchia, più consigliati per i sovrapposti da tiro, dove il tiratore esigente (e secondo le sue attitudini) può decidere di diminuire il peso in volata di 18 grammi per strozzatore (36 gr totali) .. Prodotti solo in tipo ported o extended (fuoriescono di 20 mm) ... Però non sono economici (da 95 a 105 euro l'uno).

Il fatto che costino di più è logico visto il materiale in questione, e non è un problema, l’importante è sapere se in base ai test effettuati la resa { distribuzione e penetrazione} è almeno uguale a quelli in acciaio ma non inferiore


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[louison]

Visto che i macchinari impiegati, le tolleranze dimensionali, ed i controlli qualitativi saranno certamente gli stessi non passiamo aspettarci scadimenti ... Ulteriore assicurazione è che sono principalmente previsti per i costosi ed eccezionali fucili da tiro Perazzi (a foratura 18,6) spesso portati in gara dai più grandi campioni ...... https://store.geminichokes.com/it/pr...nio-calibro-12

[s-4]

Buongiorno Daniele, essendo un amico di gemini mi sento di d'arti una risposta:
Il nuovo trattamento PVD che significa physical vapor deposition, polveri di titanio.
Rispetto ai vecchi trattamenti, si ottiene una migliore protezione antiruggine,antigraffio e sopratutto antiusura.
Ci troveremo un pezzo tutto nikelato(mi riferisco ad esempio ai ported o agli interni raso canna) con anche delle colorazioni, nero x la caccia e per il tiro ce ne sono due, una e' il copper bronze e l' altra e' un bleu particolare che non ricordo il nome.
Io ho i ported con il nuovo trattamento e ho visto anche gli altri e sono veramente fatti bene.
Appena rivedo gemini provero' a chiedere se balisticamente si ha qualche vantaggio.
Io l' unica cosa che mi sento di dire a tutti i compratori di strozzatori,il mio parere e' che al momento dell' acquisto farsi misurare dall' armiere la volata dello strozzatore in base alla vostra foratura di canna.
Forse in questo discorso sono un po' pignolo,ma mi e' capitato con due briley che ho sul mio 682 uno 4 stelle e uno 2 stelle, la canna e' forata 18,6 e, il 4 stelle fa 18,7 (quindi non e' **** ma un cilindrico), e il due stelle fa 18,1(quindi 5 decimi e' un tre stelle).
Ho acquistato i gemini X il mio a 400 cal 20 ported,un due stelle (IM) misurava 15,4 (canna forata 16,un po' larghino x essere 2 stelle,ho preso anche il full(F)e fa 15,2 (8 decimi mi sembra un buon 2 stelle).
Ad ogni modo con entrambe gli strozzatori,anche se "un po' larghini" i risultati sono stati ottimi a caccia e anche nel tiro.
Ho fatto una prova con i nuovi ported in pvd cal 20** (quello 15,4), rispetto agli originali,alla placca hanno messo 46 pallini del 7 in piu' in rosata foglio 70x70 ad una distanza di 35 metri.
Ho usato cartucce uguali tre colpi con gli originali e tre colpi con i ported.
Buona giornata.

Buona sera a tutti,
confermo ciò che scrivi, ma se il pvd e come presumo decorativo depositerà non piu di 300 nanometri allora la sua vita sara anchessa breve, se il deposito e tecnico allora la sua vita sarà un pò piu lunga.
il deposito e un insieme di titanio e zirconio tecnicamente puri al 99,9%
grazie ad un arco voltaico che erode i target e l'iniezione di gas (argon, acetilene) in % stabilite si porta alla vaporizzazione delle particelle in atomi,in camera con alto vuoto sotto tensione con temperature non oltre 100 gradi per decorativo attorno ai 200 gradi il tecnico.

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concludento, solo secondo me, la sua resistenza alla corrosione e in funzione al deposito sottostante (nichel) che se sarà il nichel chimico avra una luga durata se sarà eletrolitico vita breve.
antigraffio non so avrei molti dubbi,

[ned]

La mia esperienza in questo campo si limita a far eseguire questi trattamenti di volta in volta su particolari meccanici, stampi e attrezzature di vario genere.
Nel campo dell’utensileria, questi rivestimenti sui carburi di tungsteno hanno rappresentato una autentica rivoluzione, a distanza di decenni ancora prospettano potenzialità inaspettate in molti campi.
Alta durezza (Resistenza all’abrasione e all’usura)
Basso coefficiente di attrito (scorrevolezza e anti aderenza)
Ottima inerzia chimica (resistenza alla corrosione e all’aggressione chimica di acidi, basi e sali)
Compattezza (impermeabile ai gas, esempio all’Idrogeno)
Isolante elettrico
Biocompatibile
Nella fattispecie, l’aspetto decorativo negli strozzatori è sicuramente un fattore secondario, immagino che lo scopo sia lo stesso che rincorro anch’io, far durare il più possibile matrici e particolari di costo elevato ,migliorandone le le prestazioni.
E’ chiaro che l’ottimizzazione delle superfici e il substrato sono molto importanti, insieme alle temperature in cui avviene questa vaporizzazione, visto lo spessore di pochi micron depositati, anche se il CrN (Nitruro di Cromo) a temperature leggermente superiori può arrivare a 15 micron di spessore.
Questo DLG scelto dalla Gemini mi risulta fatto a temperature molto basse (80 gradi) tali da non compromettere le lavorazioni di rettifica e lappatura fatte prima del trattamento, e mantenere le tolleranze previste.
Il DLG viene depositato mediante tecnologia PA-CVD (Plasma Assisted-Chemical Vapour Deposition) che permette di mantenere bassa la temperatura di deposito e allo stesso tempo di garantire un’ottima adesione.


A mio personalissimo parere sceglierei strozzatori in acciaio, riconoscendo alle leghe di titanio il pregio della leggerezza, naturalmente sono convinto dell’assoluta efficacia dei questi trattamenti.
Saluti
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[daniele da padova]

La mia esperienza in questo campo si limita a far eseguire questi trattamenti di volta in volta su particolari meccanici, stampi e attrezzature di vario genere.
Nel campo dell’utensileria, questi rivestimenti sui carburi di tungsteno hanno rappresentato una autentica rivoluzione, a distanza di decenni ancora prospettano potenzialità inaspettate in molti campi.
Alta durezza (Resistenza all’abrasione e all’usura)
Basso coefficiente di attrito (scorrevolezza e anti aderenza)
Ottima inerzia chimica (resistenza alla corrosione e all’aggressione chimica di acidi, basi e sali)
Compattezza (impermeabile ai gas, esempio all’Idrogeno)
Isolante elettrico
Biocompatibile
Nella fattispecie, l’aspetto decorativo negli strozzatori è sicuramente un fattore secondario, immagino che lo scopo sia lo stesso che rincorro anch’io, far durare il più possibile matrici e particolari di costo elevato ,migliorandone le le prestazioni.
E’ chiaro che l’ottimizzazione delle superfici e il substrato sono molto importanti, insieme alle temperature in cui avviene questa vaporizzazione, visto lo spessore di pochi micron depositati, anche se il CrN (Nitruro di Cromo) a temperature leggermente superiori può arrivare a 15 micron di spessore.
Questo DLG scelto dalla Gemini mi risulta fatto a temperature molto basse (80 gradi) tali da non compromettere le lavorazioni di rettifica e lappatura fatte prima del trattamento, e mantenere le tolleranze previste.
Il DLG viene depositato mediante tecnologia PA-CVD (Plasma Assisted-Chemical Vapour Deposition) che permette di mantenere bassa la temperatura di deposito e allo stesso tempo di garantire un’ottima adesione.


A mio personalissimo parere sceglierei strozzatori in acciaio, riconoscendo alle leghe di titanio il pregio della leggerezza, naturalmente sono convinto dell’assoluta efficacia dei questi trattamenti.
Saluti
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Non arriviamo alle fisime mentali ; l'importante è la precisione nelle lavorazioni (e c'è sempre anche un'accurata lappatura interna) e la costanza dei parametri dimensionali, e il conseguente controllo di qualità .... Importante anche : si deve controllare (a montaggio effettuato) che lo strozzatore sia perfettamente in asse con la canna .