Braga

[Druso]

Why do you want to use the braga?

[Patricia]

@Druso : each time I entered a field trial, the judges mentioned that my Bracco needs to trot during the competition. But, I wasn't convinced to use the braga and was looking for more information. So, I found this forum and became member. And ... I'm sorry so say now ... I didn't knew that "trotting" is no longer obligated during field trials for a Bracco. No judge or other Bracco-owner told me that. Next time I enter a field trial (next week), I will refer to the new standard and hope that the judges will take this into account.

[Patricia]

@Lucio : I send you a e-mail.

[Lucio Marzano]

@Lucio : I send you a e-mail.

Ok Patricia , my e-mail address is : lucio.marzano@bluewin.ch
also french is acceptable

[Druso]

@Druso : each time I entered a field trial, the judges mentioned that my Bracco needs to trot during the competition. But, I wasn't convinced to use the braga and was looking for more information. So, I found this forum and became member. And ... I'm sorry so say now ... I didn't knew that "trotting" is no longer obligated during field trials for a Bracco. No judge or other Bracco-owner told me that. Next time I enter a field trial (next week), I will refer to the new standard and hope that the judges will take this into account.

I don't have much experience with field trials. But I would say that even if gallop is allowed, that doesn't mean that a bracco doesn't need to trot and unfortunately you will need to use the braga if you want to succeed in field trials. Braccos trot when it is needed, after half an hour, on hills, forests, etc... But if you want them to trot in 20 min on an open field, they need to be trained with the braga to develop a quick trot that is (in my humble opinion) ugly and not natural.

[Canada Goose]

This has been an excellent discussion and I also thank all who participated. In North American the request to have the "trot" in tests has been amplified and the use of the braga to induce the trot wanted. With the new ruling the need to have a "trained "trot using a braga is not necessary.




Questo è stato un eccellente discussione e ho anche ringraziare tutti coloro che hanno partecipato . In Nord America la richiesta di avere il " trotto " in test è stato amplificato e l' uso della braga di indurre trotto voluto . Con la nuova sentenza la necessità di avere un trotto " addestrato" utilizzando una braga non è necessario.</PRE>

[Patricia]

It gets more and more confusing : the standard for Bracchi is changed (cf. reaction Lucio) and in North America, during competition, the request to trot is amplified ?

Diventa sempre più confusa : lo standard per Bracchi è cambiato ( vedere la reazione Lucio ) e in Nord America , durante la competizione , la richiesta al trotto è amplificato ?

[Lucio Marzano]

lo standard di lavoro é cambiato ma i giudici , non solo in Nord America ma anche in Italia se ne fregano completamente del nuovo e UFFICIAKLE standard di lavoro !!!

the working standard has changed but the judges, not only in North America but also in Italy, don't care at all of the new OFFICIAL working standard !!!

[Patricia]

It's normal that with every change, people, at first, rebell against it.
But, when change occured, some people must give the example and apply the change, the new standard. To lead by example. My humble opinion : those "people" are, in this case, first the judges and, secondly, the members of the different Bracchi clubs.

It's just my humble opinion.

Problem : what to do next weeks, when we participate the field trials ? Say nothing ? Arguing with the judges ? Difficult ...

E 'normale che ad ogni cambio , la gente , in un primo momento , Rebell contro di essa .

Ma , quando il cambiamento si è verificato , alcune persone devono dare l'esempio e applicare la modifica , il nuovo standard . Per dare il buon esempio . Il mio modesto parere : Quei " persone " sono , in questo caso , prima i giudici e , in secondo luogo , i membri delle squadre diverse Bracchi .

E 'solo il mio modesto parere .

Problema : cosa fare la prossima settimana , quando , partecipiamo le prove sul campo ? Non dire nulla ? Litigare con i giudici ? Difficile ...

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We are just amateurs, novices in Bracco world.

Siamo solo dilettanti, principianti nel mondo Bracco.

[Canada Goose]

The judges we have for tests come from Italy, to maintain the heritage of the breed, educate owners of what the standard is in Italy. The standard was a trot, head high and now less importance will be placed on the trot. It will take time, communication to judges, the breeders and acceptance of the owners to the implement the new standards.

I giudici che abbiamo per i test provengono da Italia , per mantenere il patrimonio della razza , educare i proprietari di ciò che la norma è in Italia . Lo standard è stato trotto , testa alta e ora meno importanza sarà posta sul trotto . Ci vorrà del tempo , la comunicazione ai giudici, gli allevatori e l'accettazione dei proprietari ai attuare le nuove norme .




I miei apolgies se la traduzione non è corretta</PRE>

[Patricia]

Correctly, Canada Goose !

I printed the SABI-text to take with me when we go to the field trials, next weekend : http://www.ilbraccoitaliano.org/it/b...avoro-ita.html

When I translate the first alinea, it says :
"The gait is the trot long and fast, admitted some phase of gallop, justified by objective circumstances. The standard gait, when he faces the gain, is the trot."

BUT, the new standard publiced on the "federation cynologique internationale" only mentioned the trot, not the gallop : http://www.fci.be/en/New-standards-o...-2016-231.html (click on "Bracco Italiano 202").
"GAIT / MOVEMENT: Extended and fast trot, with powerful propulsion from the hindquarters, head raised and nose held high in such a way that, when hunting, the nose is higher than the topline."

Conclusion : incomplete translation ?




Correttamente , Canada Goose !

Ho stampato Sabi -text di portare con me quando andiamo alle prove sul campo , il prossimo fine settimana : http://www.ilbraccoitaliano.org/it/b...avoro-ita.html.

Quando traduco il primo alinea , si dice :
" L'andatura è lungo il trotto e veloce , ha ammesso qualche fase di galoppo, giustificata da circostanze oggettive . L'andatura normale , quando affronta il guadagno , è il trotto . "

MA , il nuovo standard publiced sulla " Federazione Cinologica Internazionale " menzionato solo il trotto , il galoppo non : http://www.fci.be/en/New-standards-o...valid-from-01- 01-2016-231.html ( clicca su " Bracco Italiano 202 " ).

Conclusione : traduzione incompleta ?

[Druso]

I am afraid that the standard on the FCI website is the old one, since the new standards in morphology and work have not been translated yet. The main difference is that formerly the standard maintained that "gallop was TOLERATED", what kind of means that they are not going to disqualify a bracco for galloping at some point, but in theory a bracco should not gallop or gallop only when they are coming back and not searching. The new standard contains that "gallop is ADMITTED" and there is a difference between "admitted" and "tolerated", but "admitted" does not mean that a bracco doesn't need to trot because it is also written that the movement of bracco is the "trot" and not the "gallop", the gallop is admitted, but the movement is the "trot".

Now comes the main problem: Braccos that are naturally trotters trot during a hunting day, so their movement is trot, but a bracco full of passion hardly trots in 20 min on an open field if he has just been released from the leash. So to make braccos trot in these circumstances, they created the "braga" that trains the bracco to trot when he would not do it. This should not be a problem if all braccos naturally trotted, but many successful bracchi are natural gallopers (they don't trot in a hunting day) but trot in field trials because they have been trained with the braga. So the braga in the end does not work, because it makes all bracchi trot, natural trotters and natural gallopers, but judges want to see a bracco trot on an open field in the first 20 min, which is in a way unnatural.

I have seen some bracchi trot in field trials with a terribly fast trot that in my opinion is unnatural and I guess (but I am not certain) that is the trot of the braga. In my experience my bracchi at high speed and in those moments gallop and when they trot, their trot is much softer and slower than the trot that you can see in field trials and videos available in the internet.

[Lucio Marzano]

There are two standards of Italian Bracco : one is the morphological, also reported by the FCI where there is a limited description of gait (as in all of the hunting breeds standards) then there's the working standard ( not reported from the FCI ), where the gait is explained in detail.
Both standards have been very recently re-written, but those who rewrote the morphological standard forgotten to correct the gait description adding the gallop to the trot.

[Patricia]

@ Druso and Lucio : thank you very much for your reaction and your comprehensive explanation ! It's very very helpfull !

@Lucio : again, I learned something ! I didn't know that the FCI does not report the working standard. And like you say, they didn't translate the new standard correctly.

@Druso : you are telling my experience ! My Bracco, aswell, is full of hunting passion and when I release her, she gallops. The first rush, like Lucio also told. That first rush takes more than 15 or 20 minutes (the time of a field trial). When we go hunting all day, than my Bracco, after the first rush, starts to trot. And yes, indeed Druso, that trot is more softly, fluently. Beautiful to watch aswell. It looks as if she "flies", like a dancing girl.

Thank you, really, very much ! I really appreciate all that usefull information !