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    • Aug 2010
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    #16
    Buongiorno Matteo
    La foto che hai pubblicato si riferisce ad un fondello cal.14 (il num.14 stampato sul fondello si riferisce al calibro,non all'anno come hai detto tu )
    Trattasi di un vecchissimo bossolo con innesco "a spillo" periodo di produzione fine '800 primi '900.... fondello a parte il bossolo com'era ? anche questo in lamierino di ottone ? oppure era con il cartone oramai degradato da tempo(cioè privo di bossolo ?
    E' sicuramente una rarita'....stiamo parlando dei secoli scorsi,hai trovato solo questo ?
    Un saluto roberto barina

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    • Massi
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      • Dec 2011
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      #17
      Non è il 14 alla libra ma una cartuccia cal. 14 mm a spillo, forse in quella zona dove hai reperito il bossolo è stato un campo di battaglia della guerra Franco-Prussiana, se non ricordo male i Corazzieri Francesi dell'Imperatore (Napoleone III) avevano una carabina all' avanguardia per l'epoca (da non confondere con il fucile ad ago) con funzionamento a spillo, sarebbe un ritrovamento veramente interessante per uno studioso di opologia o addirittura per un museo, visto i pochi esemplari di quella carabina.
      Saluti

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      • MaverickD
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        #18
        <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:RelyOnVML/> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> Massi, lo Chassepot si fece ammirare nella guerra Franco Prussiana; era in cal. 11 e dotato di percussione ad ago.
        Stando a quanto riportato da cacciatori passati a miglior vita, il cal. 14 era liscio, nato ad avancarica verso fine '800 e morto a retrocarica all'incirca un secolo fa. Ne ho alcuni bossoli Fiocchi di cartone e classico collarino acciaioso.
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        • roberto barina
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          • Aug 2010
          • 2476
          • Trovo (PV)
          • Pointer

          #19
          Buongiorno a tutti
          Secondo me il nostro amico.....cerca qualcosa d'altro !!
          Attendo la sua risposta
          Un saluto colleghi roberto barina

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          • Matteoberga
            Ho rotto il silenzio
            • Jan 2015
            • 9
            • France

            #20
            Buonasera a tutti! Ma ragazzi vi giuro che ne avrò trovati almeno una decina!! E sono in mezzo al bosco assieme ad altre cartucce più "moderne". Siete davvero sicuri che si tratta di una rarità? Perchè qui ce ne sono praticamente ovunque. Confermo che l'interno è in cartone compresso.. In ogni caso come si spiegano i diversi numeri sui diversi tondelli di uno stesso diametro?

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            • G.G.
              Moderatore Armi e Polveri
              • Jun 2006
              • 11220
              • BOLOGNA, Bologna, Emilia Romagna.
              • Epagneul Breton

              #21
              Non si tratta di una "cartuccia" ma del solo fondello metallico da cui hai tolto il buscione in cartone marcio che originariamente manteneva in posizione la capsuletta che era percossa dal cane dei fucili tipo Lefaucheux tramite lo spillo. E' un fondello corroso di cartuccia da caccia cal. 14 a spillo, nulla di particolarmente raro.
              Inserisci le foto di fondelli identici ma punzonati 13-15-17, ... sarebbero interessanti.

              Cordialità
              G.G.
              Some people hear their own inner voices with great
              clearness and they live by what they hear.
              Such people become crazy, or they become legends.
              </O:p

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              • inDianaG.R
                ⭐⭐
                • Sep 2014
                • 394
                • Napoli
                • Pointer -Bea

                #22
                Ho fatto delle ricerche ed è giusto quanto asserito dal sig. Garolini.
                Ti riporto il risultato:
                "Questo tipo di munizione è la via intermedia fra il caricamento ad avancarica e quello a retrocarica con cartuccia a percussione centrale.
                Il funzionamento dell'innesco a spillo Lefaucheux era dovuto allo sfregamento del bastoncello che nel forare una specie di capsula provocava la fiammata di accensione della polvere nera della carica della cartuccia."
                Per una comprensione migliore di quanto sopra specificato, allego una foto significativa di un bossolo di una cartuccia sparata da caccia calibro 16 in uso dalla metà fino quasi alla fine del XIX° secolo (1800).Clicca sull'immagine per ingrandirla. 

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                'O Napulitan' se fa sicc' ma nun more.

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                • Matteoberga
                  Ho rotto il silenzio
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 9
                  • France

                  #23
                  Dunque questo tipo di cartuccia è più vecchio di quanto immaginassi. Una curiosità: il cartone, per quanto possa essere compresso è pur sempre cartone. Capisco un suo utilizzo in quell'epoca "remota" come riempitivo del fondello. Ma successivamente come mai non si optato per altri materiali più resistenti al calore sprigionato dallo scoppio della polvere?

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                  • inDianaG.R
                    ⭐⭐
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 394
                    • Napoli
                    • Pointer -Bea

                    #24
                    0,04€ al pezzo
                    Da qualche parte dovevano pur risparmiare no?!
                    'O Napulitan' se fa sicc' ma nun more.

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                    • G.G.
                      Moderatore Armi e Polveri
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 11220
                      • BOLOGNA, Bologna, Emilia Romagna.
                      • Epagneul Breton

                      #25
                      Originariamente inviato da Matteoberga
                      Dunque questo tipo di cartuccia è più vecchio di quanto immaginassi. Una curiosità: il cartone, per quanto possa essere compresso è pur sempre cartone. Capisco un suo utilizzo in quell'epoca "remota" come riempitivo del fondello. Ma successivamente come mai non si optato per altri materiali più resistenti al calore sprigionato dallo scoppio della polvere?
                      E chi ha detto che la carta arrotolata non abbia una buona resistenza alla vampata?
                      Ho ricaricato bossoli in cartone del 36, 32 e 24 fino alla separazione del tubo dal fondello, ed anche allora (7-8 ricarica) il buscione pur se bruciacchiato faceva ancora il suo dovere.

                      Cordialità
                      G.G.
                      Some people hear their own inner voices with great
                      clearness and they live by what they hear.
                      Such people become crazy, or they become legends.
                      </O:p

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                      • cobrahf
                        ⭐⭐
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 745
                        • Terni

                        #26
                        Originariamente inviato da Matteoberga
                        Quale è il tuo problema cobrahf? Non stai parlando con il primo dei coglioni. So perfettamente che il numero si riferisce al calibro. In questo caso tratta di un tipo di cartuccia prodotta dal 1910 circa al 1923. Lo stesso tipo di tondello con lo stesso diametro l'ho trovato con numeri 15, 16, 17 e 20.
                        Non volevo offenderti ... era una battuta per portarti alla conclusione che poi è stata data ovvero che 14 era il calibro e non l anno.

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                        • ch85
                          ⭐⭐
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 945
                          • Anagni
                          • Breton

                          #27
                          http://www.ilbraccoitaliano.net/foru...ent.php?attach http://www.ilbraccoitaliano.net/foru...1&d=1422549444 mentid=63803&stc=1&d=1422549444
                          cal 16 a spillo giulio fiocchi lecco
                          File allegati

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                          • claudio76
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                            • Jan 2010
                            • 3721
                            • Sant'Angelo in Vado

                            #28
                            Originariamente inviato da ch85
                            Un caro amico Sedicista del forum me ne ha regalate 2 identiche caricate con la mitica DN a ciambelline.
                            Saluti
                            Claudio

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                            • ch85
                              ⭐⭐
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 945
                              • Anagni
                              • Breton

                              #29
                              Una curiosita ma questi bossoli si potevano reinnescare ?

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                              • Matteoberga
                                Ho rotto il silenzio
                                • Jan 2015
                                • 9
                                • France

                                #30
                                Grazie a tutti ragazzi, mi fa veramente piacere il vostro interessamento! E adesso cosa si mette nel fondello al posto del rullo o "buscione" di cartone? Per quanto riguarda il reinnesco, anche a me piacerebbe saperlo, anche se non penso fosse possibile..

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