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  • lacopo giuseppe
    ⭐⭐⭐
    • Oct 2014
    • 5614
    • roma
    • setter

    #1

    fucili d'epoca

    cari amici, mi trovo in un problema :un mio amico mi vorebbe cedere qualcuno dei suoi pezzi pregiati, a me piace molto un cani esterni canne in finissimo damasco con relativa valigetta il prezzo di circa 2500e che ne pensate? il fucile è in condizioni eccelenti costruito 1880 W.Moore &grey grazie a chiunque è in grado di aiutarmi un saluto max
  • ronin977
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    • Jun 2012
    • 3979
    • palermo
    • cirneco dell'etna, breton, beagle

    #2
    Credo che per certi pezzi il prezzo sia quello che è disposto a pagare l'amatore, se l' arma e in perfette condizioni come dici, e ti piace molto! Tira un altro po'e... concludi l' affare!

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    • MaverickD
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      • Sep 2010
      • 277
      • bari
      • viszla

      #3
      Mai acquistare "al buio". E' preferibile assumere informazioni attendibili sulla produzione della M&G (talvolta made in Belgium...), sui materiali impiegati per l'oggetto dei desideri (damasco, three iron stub o cosa?), sulle reali quotazioni dello stesso. E, comunque, esaminare l'arma avendola fra i denti.

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      • sergio53
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        • Feb 2012
        • 620
        • BISCEGLIE

        #4
        Attenzione alle "condizioni eccellenti"! Che significa? Se devi tenerlo come pezzo da collezione, considera quanto detto da "Ronin". Se però ritieni di doverlo usare il discorso è diverso, perché contano poco le condizioni eccellenti che pur essendoci non ti consentiranno mai di sparare con le moderne cartucce o polveri, che sviluppano pressioni non immaginabili all'epoca della costruzione di questo fucile. Tra l'altro l'arma ha canne damascate e probabilmente anche una c.s. non idonea alle moderne munizioni. Un saluto. Sergio

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        • l'inglese
          Moderatore Setter & Pointer
          • Mar 2008
          • 4242
          • Arzignano, Vicenza

          #5
          Temo che siano oggetti che dall' Oro , andranno al ferro , come valore ... E cio' mi dispiace moltissimo !!! Se , comunque , ti emoziona , nulla vale quanto un Sogno che si riesce ad accarezzare ...
          Roberto

          Con affetto e simpatia [:-golf]

          un saluto

          l' inglese

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          • lacopo giuseppe
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            • Oct 2014
            • 5614
            • roma
            • setter

            #6
            Il bello del forum è proprio questo, non si è mai soli. é stupendo sapere che da nord al sud tante persone ti sono vicine, un grazie di cuore A tutto il forum Max

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            • gatto selvatico
              Ho rotto il silenzio
              • Apr 2015
              • 1
              • Roma
              • momentaneamente senza

              #7
              A prac....lo, dicevi che non sapevi usare il computer.

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              • ronin977
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                • Jun 2012
                • 3979
                • palermo
                • cirneco dell'etna, breton, beagle

                #8
                Essendo Damasco sara provato solo per la polvere nera! È ciò va considerato se ne vuoi fare uso a caccia! Mavericks ha ragione! Fatti bene i conti prima di acquistarlo!

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                • gaetano2007
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                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1386
                  • Catania

                  #9
                  Originariamente inviato da lacopo giuseppe
                  cari amici, mi trovo in un problema :un mio amico mi vorebbe cedere qualcuno dei suoi pezzi pregiati, a me piace molto un cani esterni canne in finissimo damasco con relativa valigetta il prezzo di circa 2500e che ne pensate? il fucile è in condizioni eccelenti costruito 1880 W.Moore &grey grazie a chiunque è in grado di aiutarmi un saluto max
                  Se come dici ti piace compralo ..... mica sei un commerciate che guarda L affare , ma da appassionato se te lo puoi permettere compralo senza dubbi.
                  Ciao Gaetano

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                  • MaverickD
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                    • Sep 2010
                    • 277
                    • bari
                    • viszla

                    #10
                    Una considerazione che m'era sfuggita: già la sola valigetta 'cuoio e rovere' made in England per fucili di buon lignaggio, spesso quota belle cifrette.

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                    • giovanni60
                      Ho rotto il silenzio
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 43
                      • Bari

                      #11
                      Effettivamente, la sola valigetta potrebbe valere diverse centinaia di euro. Per l'arma, dovresti procurarti almeno delle foto, e comunque riusciremmo a fare solo delle ipotesi senza vederla di persona. Personalmente, ho preso qualche doppietta con canne damasco, perché mi piaceva e ... per il prezzo che consideravo conveniente. Considerando che 2500 euro non sono esattamente una cifra molto modesta, almeno cercherei di stimare il reale valore di mercato del fucile. Poi potrai in ogni caso acquistarlo "più serenamente", se riterrai di farlo.
                      Per quanto riguarda l'utilizzo delle canne damasco con polveri infumi, le armi più recenti tra quelle prodotte con queste canne ne consentivano l'utilizzo "...razionale...". Le camere saranno probabilmente da 65mm.

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                      • MaverickD
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                        • Sep 2010
                        • 277
                        • bari
                        • viszla

                        #12
                        Fermo restando quanto affermato da Giovanni60, utilizzare a caccia una reliquia mi sembra blasfemo. Ad un amico che amava cacciare beccacce con una signora Purdey dalle canne di damasco, nata a spillo, capitò la rottura della molla d’un cane; ebbene, dovette tribolare per individuare chi fosse in grado di replicarla e temprarla perfettamente, oltre che peregrinare ed affrontare un bell’esborso.
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                        • enrico toldo
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                          • Apr 2012
                          • 1360
                          • parma
                          • setter inglese

                          #13
                          Originariamente inviato da lacopo giuseppe
                          Il bello del forum è proprio questo, non si è mai soli. é stupendo sapere che da nord al sud tante persone ti sono vicine, un grazie di cuore A tutto il forum Max
                          Ciao Giuseppe,

                          data la vicinanza, se fossi in te mi rivolgerei direttamente a Nando che, in fatto di armi di pregio, ha una competenza invidiabile ed un'esperienza che non ha rivali.

                          Ciò, senza nulla togliere ad altri competentissimi esperti che bazzicano il nostro Forum.

                          Enrico

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                          • lacopo giuseppe
                            ⭐⭐⭐
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 5614
                            • roma
                            • setter

                            #14
                            Caro enrico quoto in maniera totale i tuoi consigli.Ti terrò informato abbraccio caloroso Max

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                            • Giobica
                              ⭐⭐⭐
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2208
                              • Treviso
                              • kurzhaar

                              #15
                              Concordo con Enrico, Nando e' uno dei piu' grandi esperti di queste armi.Se non ricordo male ho visto sui libri di Lupi una delle poche cani esterni con ejector proprio di Moore & Grey con bascula annegata nel legno( Bar in wood ), un capolavoro...riuscira' il grande Nando a resistere ???[:-bunny][:-bunny].In bocca al lupo, la cifra e' piu' che abbordabile ricordati solo di deliziarci con qualche foto.Hai detto che l'attuale possessore e' un tuo amico, hai il coltello dalla parte del manico, vaiiiii.....

                              Giovanni

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